chicken base

topic posted Sat, December 1, 2007 - 9:24 PM by  Dread Pirate™
if a girl was going to have a chicken carcass in her hands, what could she do with it in a crock pot to make, say, a soup or stew base?

(I read that somebody cooked theirs until the bones were soft, and then blended the whole thing - I don't have a blender like that, so lets just say I'd pull the bones out)

...and then once I have said base, what could I do with it?

I'm starved for ideas...Help!
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Dread Pirate™
Cayman Islands
  • Re: chicken base

    Sat, December 1, 2007 - 10:44 PM
    Once you have the broth (I would suggest sauteeing onions and celery and putting them and carrots into the crock with your carcass) you could use it or you could freeze it in ice cube trays for later use.

    You could make The Rev's killer Chicken & Dumplings. Or the chicken stew someone posted once (I don't remember when, but I made it and can attest to its yumminess). Or matzoball soup. Or cook taters, rice, or noodles in it.
    • Re: chicken base

      Sun, December 2, 2007 - 11:10 AM
      Toss the whole carcass in with some onions and celery (as Samantha suggests) and a bouquet garni (or whatever herbs you like), cover with water and put on high for 4 hours. Let sit and cool, skim off the fat and then you should have a great chicken stock. We freeze ours in quart freezer bags (lie them on their sides flat until frozen, and then you can toss them in the freezer any which way). We do this with our turkeys from T-day and have stock for the whole winter.

      Stock we use for soups, stews, whatever!
      • Re: chicken base

        Sun, December 2, 2007 - 5:27 PM
        oh, thanks a bunch!

        my thought was to set it up for 4 hours of cooking tonight, then skim off the fat in the morning - is there a time limit on sitting, or any danger of it going bad with this strategy?
        • Re: chicken base

          Sun, December 2, 2007 - 5:33 PM
          >>is there a time limit on sitting, or any danger of it going bad with this strategy? <<

          not that i know of and i make chicken stock fairly often.
          • Re: chicken base

            Sun, December 2, 2007 - 7:02 PM
            OK, now my family are champing at the bit for chicken & dumplings --

            I just ripped the recipe off the thread:

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            Chicken 'n Dumplings (Crockpot)

            4 boneless skinless chicken pieces (breast or thigh), cut in small chunks
            2 cans condensed cream of chicken soup
            1/4 cup onion, finely diced
            1/4 cup carrot, finely diced
            1/4 cup celery, finely diced
            1 bay leaf
            1 chicken bouillon cube
            2 cups water
            2 (10 oz) packages refrigerated biscuits

            Combine all ingredients, except biscuits, in slow cooker. Cover and cook on low for 5 to 6 hours. 30 minutes before serving, tear biscuit dough into 1-inch pieces. Add to your slow cooker; stirring gently. Cover and cook on HIGH for an additional 30 minutes or until biscuits are fluffed up and cooked through.

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            My mouth waters at the prospect... would I use the chicken stock instead of the water, and skip the boullion cube?

            • Re: chicken base

              Sun, December 2, 2007 - 7:20 PM
              As far as I know, when the temp. falls between 40 and 140 is the danger zone, where you don't want questionable foods to set out longer than about an hour or so in that range. So that's the slow cooker beauty - from what I understand the "low" temp keeps things like stock, etc. at 140+, eliminating worries about that sort of thing...
              • Re: chicken base

                Mon, December 3, 2007 - 1:16 AM
                if you want to cook the carcass til the bones fall apart I suggest tying the carcass up in cheesecloth beforehand. then you can really cook the heck out of it. a lot of the goodness is from the tendons and gristle melting down. Onions, celery (with leaves) and carrots are pretty standard for flavor and can also be in cheesecloth for easy removal.
            • Re: chicken base

              Mon, December 3, 2007 - 7:21 AM
              Hey, I recognize that C&D recipe! Pirate, the bouillon cube doesn't add that much flavoring. It's really there more for the salt, so if you've got stock, so much the better. Just skip the cube and S&P to taste. The rest is so easy! I would say that it will seem pretty watery, at first glance, before you put the biscuits in, but don't worry. It thickens up.

              Bon appetit!

              Love and light, dear ones.
              Rev
              • Re: chicken base

                Mon, December 3, 2007 - 8:59 AM
                I hope you don't mind I copied your recipe to the new thread - it seems so good it's worth recycling!

                I had a chicken carcass leftover from a pre-cooked chicken from Trader Joe's - we warmed it in the microwave and had chicken ready to eat in 5 minutes (I love TJ's!)

                I sauteed some onions and threw in a handfull or two of baby carrots and covered the mess with water and 2 bay leaves (big crockpot). I didn't have any celery around the house,I had to make do.

                I let it cook on high for a couple hours, then low for another 8.

                I stuck it in the fridge to cool this morning. When I get home I'll pull the bones out and skim off the fat. Dang, that's a good idea with the cheesecloth, I'll have to try that next time.

                Mkay - I'll use all other ingredients as advertised - and skip the bouillon cube. Should I use the condensed soup as well? I'm thinking it needs it - it's a nice rich broth, but it's not creamy like c&d needs to be.

                Mmm....this sounds good...in another two nights. Heh.
                • Re: chicken base

                  Mon, December 3, 2007 - 9:09 AM
                  Pirate, I don't know how many poultry carcasses you've rendered, so I hope I'm not telling you things you already know. You may have a tiny bit of trouble getting broth after you've chilled it. You'll definitely be able to skim the fat off the top (I save it and use it for sautéeing veggies for soup or as a roux base for gravies). You will notice, however, that all that bone marrow and connective tissue that dissolved has now turned your broth into gelatin. You may need to warm it up, just a bit, after skimming the top and then strain it through a colander. Don't be put off by the thick consistency. It's not a bad thing, by any means.

                  Oh, and HELL NO I don't mind you copying that recipe. Share it with everybody! It's one of my favorites and a legacy from my dear mother and her obsession with packaged foods. Some didn't turn out quite as well but she did her best and put lots of love into everything. Now my siblings and I cook for her, whenever we can, while we still can.

                  Love and light, dear ones.
                  Rev
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                    Re: chicken base

                    Mon, December 3, 2007 - 9:36 AM
                    I've rendered exactly Zero carcasses in my lifetime - Oops!

                    OK - I'll take the fat off, then heat it up a bit before I get the bones out. Thanks for the tip!

                    Thinking about it, I could have just left the thing cooking all day, it probably would have been OK...Next time, right?

                    OK, it sounds like I can use all my stock instead of the condensed soup and water. I'll have a can at the ready just in case...And then biscuits - either ready made or the hand made (those sound good!)

                    • Re: chicken base

                      Mon, December 3, 2007 - 9:48 AM
                      >>And then biscuits - either ready made or the hand made (those sound good!) <<

                      It's worth it! So easy and it's cheaper than the ready made ones. :)
                      • Re: chicken base

                        Mon, December 3, 2007 - 3:14 PM
                        thanks ladies - you are awesome!

                        So I gather it'll be a bit soupy - until I put in the dumplings, at which time it will thicken up and cream up a bit. OK.

                        BTW - I love that you're all here. The rest of tribe seems a bit sleepy. Nice to meet you all!
                • Re: chicken base

                  Mon, December 3, 2007 - 9:11 AM
                  When I make chicken and dumplings the broth thickens from the biscuits I throw in, but I don't use the ready made ones - I make my own - so that might be what makes the difference. The soup always ends up nice and creamy. Here's the recipe I use:

                  Dumplings
                  2 cups unbleached all-purpose flour
                  1 tablespoon baking powder
                  1 teaspoon table salt
                  1 cup whole milk
                  3 tablespoons reserved chicken fat (or unsalted butter)

                  Stir the flour, baking powder, and salt together. Microwave the milk and fat in a microwave-safe bowl on high until just warm (do not over-heat), about 1 minute. Stir the warmed milk mixture into the flour mixture with a wooden spoon until incorporated and smooth.

                  Return the stew/soup to a simmer. Drop golf-ball-sized dumplings over the top of the stew, about 1/4 inch apart (you should have about 18 dumplings). Reduce the heat to low, cover, and cook until the dumplings have doubled in size, 15 to 18 minutes. Serve.
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                    Re: chicken base

                    Mon, December 3, 2007 - 8:33 PM
                    Tri... THANK YOU for the recipe! I made it for dinner for my husband and he ADORED them.... thanks for making my meal.
                    • Re: chicken base

                      Tue, December 4, 2007 - 6:20 AM
                      The ready made biscuits are a lot easier but when you make your own you can really add a lot of flavor to your meal by adding spices/herbs or cheese to your biscuits. I've made a sort of tex-mex type of chicken and dumplings by adding cumin chili powder and some anchos to the pot and then adding a little cayenne and shredded cheddar to my dumplings. or if i make regular c & d i sometimes add a little snipped sage to them. I usually have to make double the recipe of dumplings because DH is sneaking them as soon as they are done.
                    • Re: chicken base

                      Tue, December 4, 2007 - 7:46 AM
                      >>Tri... THANK YOU for the recipe! I made it for dinner for my husband and he ADORED them.... thanks for making my meal.<<

                      You're welcome! You should really thank my subscription to Cook's Illustrated. ;)
                      • Re: chicken base

                        Tue, December 4, 2007 - 8:30 AM
                        i just use bisquick and water to make dumplings - but never in the crock pot. only in boiling lipton noodle soup. it's a cheap warm meal.
                        • Re: chicken base

                          Wed, December 5, 2007 - 2:58 PM
                          well poop. Didn't turn out quite the way I had hoped.

                          I was gonna make the hand-made dumplings, and totally wussed out a the last minute. I went with the tinned biscuits.

                          I cut each one into quarters and threw them in. There were too many - I used 3 cans @ 7.5 oz apiece (which should have been about right).

                          The biggest problem was that the crock wasn't hot enough, i think - so the biscuits just sat on top and fell apart. They needed way more heat than my crock was able to provide.

                          we took a portion of it and put it in the stock pot and boiled it for a while -that seemed to help. Then we nuked it a bit, and the biscuits perked up and did their biscuit thing. so It was salvaged - but not my finest work.

                          My family seemed to enjoy it alot - so not a total waste. I figured it would not work as leftovers - it was very gluey. Next time I think I would just transfer the liquid to the stock pot, get it boiling, and Then drop the dumplings in.
                          • Re: chicken base

                            Wed, December 5, 2007 - 3:03 PM
                            >>Next time I think I would just transfer the liquid to the stock pot, get it boiling, and Then drop the dumplings in.<<

                            Whoops! I should have mentioned that I've never made this via crockpot and have always done it on the stove with "dumplings" from scratch.
      • Re: chicken base

        Sun, February 24, 2008 - 12:24 PM
        <<...put on high for 4 hours>>

        when making a stock i like to skim the impurity foam constantly and never letting the liquid come to a boil as that pulls the impurities back into the stock.

        freezing in icecube ytrays is an excellent idea.

        AND roasting the bones first for a more flavorful stock . be sure to remove all the little bits of meat from the bones before roasting.

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